To ban or not to ban?

To ban or not to ban?

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SMOKE ’EM IF YA GOT ’EM: Local bar and restaurant owners have mixed feelings about the proposal to ban smoking in such establishments in Virginia. The measure passed the House of Delegates General Laws Committee on Thursday and could go before the full House Monday.

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Anyone looking for a smoke-free night out on the town may have a hard time finding it in Culpeper. But with the advance of a smoking ban in the Virginia General Assembly, that could soon change.

A bill to ban smoking in bars and restaurants statewide passed the House of Delegates General Laws Committee Thursday. Already approved in the Senate, the bill could go before the full House as early as Monday. If passed, the bill would go into effect July 1.

House Bill 1703 would ban smoking except in private clubs and within designated smoking areas with separate ventilation systems from nonsmoking areas. In Culpeper, there are a number of downtown establishments that allow smoking, including The Pub at Hazel River, the East Davis Street Tavern and Culpeper Diner.

* The Pub: Patrons of The Pub, a bar known locally for its live music on weekends and the heavy haze of smoke that hangs in the air, have complained to owner Karen Stogbuchner about the smoke.

“We’ve even had smokers complain,” she said. “There’s just no ventilation.”

The Civil War-era building on the corner of East Davis and East streets has no external ventilation save doors to the outside and a chimney, giving smoke no place to go.

But despite The Pub’s clientele, Stogbuchner supports the ban.

“I don’t see it affecting The Pub in a bad way,” she said. “If it’s a statewide ban, there’s not a whole lot anybody can do about it and it might promote nonsmokers coming in. There will be a whole lot of people that are put off by it, but it seems to work everywhere else.”

Mary Lou Hamilton, The Pub’s sound technician, agreed with Stogbuchner.

“I think it’ll increase business,” said Hamilton, a former smoker.

“We watched what it did in Maryland, and a lot of the entertainment bars had increased business because there are so many people that want to come out who don’t smoke,” Hamilton said.

* East Davis Street Tavern: A few doors down at the East Davis Street Tavern, day manager and bartender Linda Leavell does not support the ban.

The restaurant and bar is smoke-free daily until 2 p.m., after which time smokers patronize the establishment.

“I know the guys that smoke in the evening are going to be really ticked off if it passes,” Leavell said. “I don’t smoke, but it (smoking) doesn’t bother me.”

Patrons inside the Tavern Friday afternoon added that there should be time restraints on smoking rather than a complete ban, such as only after 9 p.m. They also felt a distinction should be made between restaurants and bars or nightclubs.

* Culpeper Diner: Also downtown is Culpeper Diner, a restaurant with its main dining room open to smokers.

Adjacent are two nonsmoking rooms, though they are not on separate ventilation systems.

After five years of running the Diner, owner Luis Galarza noticed he was losing a lot of nonsmoking customers and took over the smoke-free 4C’s restaurant next door.

“My main business here is smoking,” Galarza said. “It would really hurt. We have smokers here from 5:30 in the morning all day. There’s a lot of angry people; Virginia is a tobacco state.”

Galarza said the Diner was grandfathered in with outdated building regulations; if he were to rework the ventilation system to keep a smoking room, he would have to close to apply up-to-date regulations as well.

“With business right now and the economic situation … ” he said, trailing off, implying the renovations would be too expensive. “The secondhand smoke is bad, but there are people who are never going to change. I don’t know if it’s going to pass or not.”

Large chains in Culpeper such as Chili’s, Glory Days and Buffalo Wild Wings also allow smoking in certain areas, as well as a handful of other local establishments.

State Sen. Edd Houck, D-Spotsylvania and Del. Ed Scott, R-Madison, who both represent Culpeper, were not available for comment Friday.

Houck expressed support for the legislation, while Scott opposed it in an e-mail to a constituent.

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Flag Comment Posted by El Debibble on February 09, 2009 at 2:55 pm

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Flag Comment Posted by CarolT on February 09, 2009 at 9:56 am

The anti-smoking conspiracy began over a century ago. Skull & Bones members ring-led the creation of the American Tobacco Trust, to gather all the companies under anti-smoker control. But they knew that they couldn’t just take over the tobacco companies and shut them down, because others would simply enter the field. So, they also created and built up enemies to persecute tobacco, particlarly the American Cancer Society, the Harvard School of Public Health, and the American Heart Association, and used these as proxies to create and control the federal health establishment (the National Institutes of Health and National Cancer Institute, et al.) to manufacture fraudulent pseudo-science to deceive the public at taxpayer expense. The anti-smoker-controlled tobacco companies merely put up a phony pretense of fighting the anti-smoker-controlled “health” lobbies, and purposely throw lawsuits (that is, to those brought by the “right” plaintiffs) in order to financially intimidate potential entrants away from the tobacco industry.

http://www.smokershistory.com/theorder.htm

Philip Morris/Altria is a particular flagrant example of conspiratorial control. The anti-smokers used it to scoop up the remaining companies that hadn’t been sucked into the Tobacco Trust, and they built it up to serve as the lead Judas Goat to betray the rest. J. Russell Forgan, who later wrote the act creating the Central Intelligence Agency, began investing Marshall Field 3d’s money in the tobacco industy in the late 1920s, and he led the financing of Philip Morris’s expansion from the 1940s to 1960s, when he specifically recruited insitutional investors. And, from 1960 to 1981, the stepson of the head of the American Cancer Society -who started the anti-smoking persecution- was on its board of directors!

Flag Comment Posted by CarolT on February 09, 2009 at 9:54 am

( El Debibble ) Your demagogues are automatically guilty of scientific fraud for ignoring more than 50 studies of HPV and lung cancer, and there is no way around it. And, the crooks behind the anti-smoking movement, namely the American Cancer Society, have controlled the federal health establishment in general and and the National Cancer Institute in particular, ever since they were begun. And they have systematically committed scientific fraud in order to falsely blame tobacco for diseases it doesn’t cause. That is fact. And anti-smoker fraud includes inventing the defamation of “nicotine addiction” in order to force their social engineering agenda on the public.

Flag Comment Posted by El Debibble on February 09, 2009 at 7:09 am

Carol, the cig makers have less credibiliity than the govbernement.  The documents they finally produced showed that they not only knew cigs were addicting and bad for your health, but they lied about it.  It seems you are defensive about a nasty habit that benefits NO ONE. 

In short, you will claim the government is the enemy because you lack the will power to kick a self-destructive habit.

Flag Comment Posted by rjma on February 07, 2009 at 11:30 am

Carol writes:  “The US Government is controlled by health fascist criminals who are turning the country into a totalitarian dictatorship”.

Doesn’t everyone know that?  Hey, and why not tell us about your high regard for Osama Bin Laden?

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