Stand up against pro-abortion FOCA

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The shame of abortion in America as put forth in Darlene Thornhill’s letter Thursday is dead on. This country’s fundamental human rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are played out in our culture as a killing “choice” for the sake of personal liberty and a twisted sense of happiness.

Like Darlene, I am praying that our president-elect has a change of heart. I invite all concerned citizens to visit fightfoca.com and sign the petition against the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) which, by eliminating every existing remnant of protection for the unborn, would effectively make abortion a basic human right alongside the highest principles on which this country was founded.

Carol Sayer Daley
Boston, Va.

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Flag Comment Posted by Carol on November 26, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Dear Opa,

You are apparently well versed in history, the law and politics so I have some questions for you.

1.  Where in the law is life defined? And if not in law, in the sciences? And if not the sciences, then where? In other words, can the beginning of life be definitively established by law, by science, by consensus, is it a theological abstraction, or does each individual get to decide? When the Human Genome project found “human DNA” in embryos, what does that mean?

2.  If, as you state, life begins at birth, and if life is sacred, how, then, can Obama or anyone for that matter oppose a ban on partial-birth “abortion”? How is “birth” defined? More than 50% out? 100% out? Does the original intent to abort somehow nullify the fact of an actual birth and subsequent killing?

3.  How do you reconcile your two statements “FOCA is NOT intended to make abortion a ‘basic human right’” and later “[FOCA’s] purpose is to defend against… remov[ing] a recognized basic human right and principle on which this country was founded…”

4.  What did president-elect Obama mean in his acceptance speech when he asked us “to join in the work of remaking this nation the only way it’s been done in America for two-hundred and twenty-one years - block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand,” thereby excluding the date of the Declaration of Independence? If rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are excluded from Obama’s “change,” on what will he base this change?

5.  With Roe v. Wade in place, why, then, do we need FOCA? If simply to codify, then why extend the original intent and reach? Why legislate to remove informed consent and parental consent, allow non-licensed physicians to participate, and nullify existing health and safety regulations, to name a few potential, if unintended, effects of FOCA (read FOCA)? How exactly would removing existing laws put in place to protect the woman protect the woman?

6.  At least one political party seeks to make abortion safe, legal, and rare—- are there any other instances where legislation has been sought to protect one’s “right” to take an action that is so undesirable that political parties seek to make them rare? What authentic fundamental human rights do we seek to make “rare”?

7.  Are you so sure that moral principles are merely personal? Is it possible that this world came into being with intrinsic natural laws? No one would argue against the existence of some physical laws, such as gravity. Is it feasible that a supernatural being would build in physical laws and forget the non-physical ones?

In closing, a couple of comments… In your letter, you seem to use choice and freedom as if conscience alone is the only guiding principle. Yet the freedom of which you speak is always circumscribed by outside constraints intended to maintain order and serve the common good. But as one well versed in the law you already know that.

You give “honor” and “glory” to - let me state this accurately - a choice made to undergo a medical process that ends a growing, breathing collection of human cells with the intrinsic potential for human life. I give honor and glory to the One who participated in the creation of that potentiality. And yet you call me “foolish, dangerous, and… despicable”?

In closing, I do want to thank you for pointing out the weaknesses in my argument. I am new to the public forum and your points will help me to better articulate the truth of the matter in the future. I will continue to pray – not to further any personal “agenda” or advance my own choice or will – but to ask that God’s will, not man’s, be done.

Flag Comment Posted by Opa on November 26, 2008 at 1:15 pm

Ms. Flemming, my family, friends and acquaintances all know me as “opa;”  my “true identity” whether or not it has any meaning to you. This is not a linguistic issue no matter how much you may wish it were. It’s a legal issue. And, you have misstated the “primary definition” of child. No dictionary with which I am familiar includes “an UNBORN person” in their primary definition of “child.” I am sure you wish they did. The law certainly does not accept it. The accepted definition of “child” is “a human being between the stages of birth and puberty.” In law, the term minor (also infant or infancy) is used to refer to a person who is under the age in which one legally assumes adulthood and is legally granted rights afforded to adults in society. The law has never granted equal rights to either children or the unborn. That is the sole issue at hand. As the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v Wade, “the word ‘person,’ as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.” If it did, abortion could without question be deemed illegal. I think that is why you say a “better” definition of infanticide would be “depriving life or causing the death of an UNBORN child.” But that is not its current or historic definition. The Court, most others and I do not accept your view. We hold to the current definition.  While I truly sympathize, I believe that the last thing this world needs is another unwanted, uncared for, unsupported, desperate child. There are already far, far too many. I believe we must stop trying to force others to be ruled by our personal moral principles and rather be content with the freedom for each to choose to live by their own code of morality. Isn’t that what “freedom” means? It does to me. Life is precious in all of its forms from conception to natural death only to those who believe that to be so. Others and I have different beliefs and considerations. I say let choose as each will, and trust the Creator to judge.

Flag Comment Posted by MKFlemming on November 26, 2008 at 12:57 am

Opa….. I asked you once before on the CSE boards why you chose to use a pseudonym instead of revealing your true identity. I don’t believe you ever answered me. One with such strong opinions and such harsh personal criticism of the character of someone you do not know personally, should be able to stand publically on his/her beliefs. Don’t you feel this would foster more productive dialogue? The cloak of anonymity hides more than a person’s identity and allows a much harsher approach to dialogue.
Let’s break your argument down from a linquistic perspective.  Infanticide is defined as the killing of an infant. To “kill” is to deprive of life or cause the death of some “thing” or some “one”.  An infant is defined as a CHILD in the first period of life.  The etymology of “infant” is Latin and is derived from “infans” which means one incapable of speech.  The primary definition of child is: an UNBORN or recently born person and better yet,  it derives from the Middle English “cild” and is akin to the Gothic “kilthei” which means WOMB. There is even some suggestion that it derives from the Sanskrit “jathara” meaning belly! 

The first period of life occurs WITHIN a mother’s womb.

So technically, a better definition of infanticide would be….

Infanticide: depriving life or causing the death of an infant (a child UNBORN in the first period of life), that is incapable of speech

Perhaps, you are male and have never experienced the inexplicable reality of feeling “LIFE” within you. Perhaps you are female and have not been blessed with this experience.

Life is defined as the quality that distinguishes a vital and functional being from a dead body, an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli and reproduction.

Dearest Opa, you are the very same soul at this moment that you were in your mother’s womb .  You are one and the same, your life began not when you left your mother’s womb, but while you were in it, metabolizing the food she gave you, growing from an embryo into a baby and reacting to stimuli such as your mother’s voice, noises, and your mother’s activity levels.
If you or anyone else are not convinced that life begins at conception, I challenge you to view the following online video at: http://www.massmediamail.com/durarealidad/  This video shows physical proof of life within the womb. To hear what women that have have to say, try:
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/index.html

Women need to know the truth about the life that lives within them when they are expecting, the dignity of each woman demands it. Life is precious in all of its forms from conception to natural death. 

Our founding fathers ordered our inalienable rights in a particular way for a reason.  Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Any other order is disordered. The pursuit of happiness (in making personal “choices”) can not trump liberty and must never take the place of life.

Flag Comment Posted by Opa on November 25, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Ms. Daley, I strongly agree with JAubrey and the decision in Roe v. Wade. I strongly oppose your view. Apparently, judging by the statements you made and questions you asked, you have either not read or understood R v. W, the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution. “Infanticide” is the killing of a “child” in the first period of life following birth. Abortion, occurring before birth, therefore can not be infanticide. And in fact, abortion was legal here and abroad at the time the Declaration of Independence was written. Efforts here to make it illegal first began in the mid-1800’s initiated by a few religious groups. The “inalienable rights” of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” when written applied to living “men” not to the unborn. (Read Roe v. Wade.) True, our founding fathers envisioned a government that would protect its “people.” But, the unborn are not now nor have ever been considered either “people” or “citizens.” Your goal is to change that. Your living father is a “person” and maybe a citizen. A fetus is certainly neither. Your effort to merge the two is new and disingenuous. Your statement that “all civilized societies that have survived the test of time have strict taboos against ending a life at any stage” is easily demonstrably false. And none have extended such protections to the “yet to live.” Almost all cultures, nations and religions have always defined “life” as beginning at live birth. You strive to radically redefine that to suit your ends. Finally, FOCA is NOT intended to make abortion a “basic human right.” Roe v. Wade already recognized that it is under our constitution.  The purpose of FOCA is to codify Roe v. Wade to guarantee the right to choose for future generations. Its purpose is to defend against those like you who are seeking to remove a recognized basic human right and principle on which this country was founded. I consider your efforts to be foolish, dangerous and, quite frankly, despicable. What you consider to be our “shame,“ I honor as our glory. I fight for everyone’s right to free choice, including yours. You fight for the “power” to dictate. I oppose that. No one has such power nor “right” and hopefully will never have either. I am confident that our president-elect will have no “change of heart.” I pray that you will.

Flag Comment Posted by Carol on November 25, 2008 at 10:30 am

I see that our hearts are one in the compassion we both have for these women. Of course we must approach the issues from many directions and you have identified some of them.

BUT to institutionalize infanticide as a destructive means to an end is to endorse ANY action that leads to some economic, emotional, or personal relief. Why do we have laws at all? If my aged father lives with me and it becomes an economic or emotional burden, do I have the right to kill him? All civilized societies that have survived the test of time, including so-called “primitive” tribal nations, have strict taboos against ending a life at any stage.

Don’t fall into the trap of dismissing this solely as a “religious” issue. It is a fundamental human right to be born; what else could the US Declaration of Independence mean by listing the “inalienable rights” as “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”? Our founding fathers envisioned a government that would protect its people, not endorse the slaughter of its most innocent citizens.

Flag Comment Posted by JAubrey on November 21, 2008 at 10:30 pm

Imagine. A law that protects poor, frightened, overwhelmed young women from being made criminals.

Sign me up in support.

Let’s stop forcing a heartless religious agenda, and support programs to help pregnant women and their children with jobs, healthcare, daycare, education and financial support. Support programs that teach sexual responsibility to teenagers.

If you really want to stop abortion, stop forcing you views on others - start trying to recognize and meet their needs.

FOCA is the first step. Stop being vindictive, start with faith, hope and charity.

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